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ibofightback
July 12th, 2007 @4:00 am  

You say -
…However, the major problem with these programs is that most times, only the people at the very top of the compensation plan make any real money worth writing home to momma…

In a legitimate MLM compensation there is no “top”. It’s extremely common for people to earn more income than anyone “above” them, and there is nothing stopping someone joining tomorrow earning more than anyone who has been involved before. How? Because it’s performance based, Whoever does the work earns the money.

Contrast this to traditional “business”. How many companies can you think of where the CEO doesn’t earn more than the VPs who earn more than the Division Managers etc etc etc.

cooliojones
July 12th, 2007 @8:30 am  

The ‘top’ could be a certain level with a name, i.e. Platinum, Diamond, Pearl, Uranium, etc. These positions, along with the traditional business types you mentioned (CEO), are few and far between, meaning you won’t find a lot of company with you at the top. I do agree that some people may be able to make more than their predecessors, but like you said, it’s gonna take a LOT of work!!

If you like this post, you’ll LOVE the next part in the series!

ibofightback
July 12th, 2007 @11:00 am  

Yes, it takes a lot of work, and anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or being deceptive. A major difference with the corporate world though is that in the corporate world, generally only one person can be CEO. In a legitimate MLM *anyone* can be a Platinum etc, as long as they produce the results. (love that Uranium title btw!)

They’re not at all “few and far between”. Indeed, it’s possible for *everyone* to be a Platinum. Folk often get confused by our *strategy* of recruiting to think that the *goal* is recruiting. It’s not, the goal is to generate sales volume. Recruiting other folk, most of whom join to buy cheaper products not to make money, is not how we make money. Well, at least in a legitimate MLM, and there’s plenty I have my doubts about.

Harry Potter 7
July 12th, 2007 @3:24 pm  

Well, business is business

MsSkyBluez
July 13th, 2007 @2:36 pm  

Ibofightback,
It looks as if you’re in the MLM business. I agree that the goal is to generate sales volume after all, how else would you make money? What I think cooliojones is really eluding to is are the strategies used by many people in the MLM business to generate sales volume by openly mis-leading people.

It is very true that you have to work your tail off to get to Uranium status but you can’t deny that whomever you joined under is also benefitting from your Uranium status and they make it seem like everyone will get to Uranium status as long as they bring in more volume through recruting “help”.

If MLM businesses were more up front about the business aspect and making it a no-pressure option to either purchase the product for personal enjoyment OR join the business as a personal opportunity (or both, of course) I think that more people would do it. The “unintended” benefit of giving people the choice (with no pressure) would be the intended benefit of creating more revenue through volume sales.

Being a person who’s been to about 3 of those things on the list…the headache of being badgered to join is more than enough to make you NOT want to buy the product…even if it is good for your health.

Your points are definitely well taken. (Anyone want some Noni?)

cooliojones
July 13th, 2007 @4:08 pm  

Wow, it seems MsSkyBluez has a good handle on the whole MLM deal. You’ve been to about 3 meetings? How did you ever make it out? :D

IBO, I truly disagree that it is possible for *everyone* to be at a uranium status. The MLM business goes by tiers, and you have to have a certain amount of people under you in order to reach those stati (plural of status, if there is such a thing). If it took one man 100,000 people to get to that level, how could 15,000 more people also reach that level if they needed the same number of people? Sooner or later, you run out of people.

I wish I could draw a diagram to help illustrate this, and I might attempt that in a future post. But IBO if it’s not too much trouble I would like for you to show us how so many people could be on the same level… there might be something that I am missing here and it seems as if you may have much experience on this topic.

ibofightback
July 13th, 2007 @6:03 pm  

cooliojones - depends what “uranium” status is! Platinum, which is the example I gave from Amway/Quixtar is 100% based on volume, not recruiting. You can do it without having recruited a single person, and indeed, that has been done. People confuse the strategy of using recruitment with the goal. The goal isn’t to recruit people - it’s to generate volume.

Now, a Platinum in the US has a sales volume of around $25,000/mth. You could go an do that yourself, or you could find some people who want to earn some money and split the profits with them. That’s it, that’s network marketing.

Even if we take the “higher” levels of Amway, for example Emerald, it’s not based on recruiting per se. It’s again based on volume, except in this case it’s a “reward” for helping 3 people reach Platinum. So you could be an Emerald with just a team of 4 people. So it just depends on the strategy to reach Platinum - one person doing $25000/mth in sales, or 5 people doing $5000 in sales or 10 doing $2500/mth in sales or 100 doing $250/mth? In reality a Platinum business is actually about 10 people generating $2500/mth in sales, it’s just that some of those sales are generated by people who join in order to buy at wholesale price.

Strategies can and do change with changes in the marketplace and between different groups working with the concept. But no matter what the strategy, the goal is sales volume, ’cause that’s where the money is.

Could we “run out of people”? Sure. But if you were selling ipods you could run out of people too - everyone could buy one! Who would you sell to next? Similarly, if everyone sold ipods, who would you sell to? Same with what we do. So, I was wrong to say “everyone” can be a platinum - they can’t, just like everyone couldn’t be an ipod sales person and make money. But given the reality that by far the majority of people will not be interested in the business opportunity, there’s plenty of customers available for those that are - so all of *them* could be platinum! Which is what I meant! As for the “highest levels” - well, until recently the absolute “highest level” in Amway was one called Crown Ambassador - how many people are *necessary* to be qualified Crown Ambassador? 20 - you’ve helped 20 others become platinum.

I like to say “this business isn’t for everyone, it’s for anyone”. If everyone decided to join, yup we might have a problem! But if everyone decided to become an ipod dealer, same problem would arise! It’s really no different to other businesses.

MsSkyBluez, you highlight the weakness of this approach, that pretty much anyone can join! Some will treat it professionally with exactly the kind of approach you suggest. Others will do it less professionally, and give our industry a bad name. Doesn’t matter if you’re talking Amway, Noni, or whatever, there’s a lot of idiots :-)

cooliojones
July 13th, 2007 @11:20 pm  

IBO, thanks for that great explanation! I think it gives real insight and could very well help those who may be on the fence or need more clarification. I will be very interested in your opinion when Part II of this mini-series is posted!

Outsider
February 1st, 2008 @7:16 pm  

ibofightback is being misleading. yes, you can make 7500 without recruiting and go platinum. How many people have done it? I bet a small fraction of 1% of all platinums have ever gone platinum this way.

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